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Car tuning
« on: 22 December, 2015, 09:06:16 PM »
Hey can anyone point me at the direction for getting my pulsar tuned? Thanks



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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #1 on: 22 December, 2015, 11:41:38 PM »
Might help to have a bit more information. Do you have an aftermarket ECU, or using a daughterboard? What engine do you have and are there any modifications? Where are you located?

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #2 on: 04 April, 2016, 02:51:49 PM »
Im after the same information. Is there someone in the club that can sort out tuning? I too have a N14 pulsar with a few mods and looking at tuning.

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #3 on: 04 April, 2016, 04:18:39 PM »
Take it to a performance shop with a dyno, and be prepared to get your wallet out in a big way.

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Darryl, what would it take to RWD SR convert my QG18 bluebird? Ive got a mate with a angle grinder and stick welder, surely it cant be too hard

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #4 on: 04 April, 2016, 05:26:23 PM »
If you're Lance (read: want to do things the hard way whist getting reamed for it), then do this:

Take it to a performance shop with a dyno, and be prepared to get your wallet out in a big way.

Otherwise, I would recommend getting in touch with club member and former president Darryl Stokes (R3SPCT). Darryl has a lot of experience tuning FWD SRs (NA and turbo-charged), and also has the contacts to source the hardware. Check out the following links:

We have run group buys in the past

Darryl's thread in regards to his own tuning (and products)

Depending on the size of your budget, and how extensive your modifications are, this post in the above thread will be of particular interest to you

Hope this helps you, mate.

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #5 on: 04 April, 2016, 05:53:15 PM »
I would recommend getting in touch with club member and former president Darryl Stokes (R3SPCT). Darryl has a lot of experience tuning FWD SRs (NA and turbo-charged), and also has the contacts to source the hardware. Check out the following links:

Except Darryl doesn't really have time to do other peoples' tuning who are not in Auckland any more, last I checked :P

If you're Lance (read: want to do things the hard way whist getting reamed for it)

Things I have done the easy way:
-Install Link G4 for easy tuning by literally anyone who knows what they are doing
-Take car to exhaust shop to get one piece made from turbo to existing exhaust
-Take car to professional tuning shop to get the job done on a dyno
-Got existing clutch (with no fitment issues) rebuilt rather than buy a new one
-etc.
....Funnily enough, they were the most expensive things :P

Things I have done the hard way:
-Custom engine loom wiring (rather than getting a new loom and modifying slightly to suit). Not really that hard because I find wiring to be the easiest part.
-Buying a wire-in Link instead of the plug n' play. Because wiring is easy, annnnnnnnnnnd..... the wire-ins look cooler (no rice I swear)
-Not be a millionaire, so takes ages to afford stuff
-Not having a house with a garage, so having to drive to my parents' place to work on car
-Owning a 4WD Primera in general
-Break an antique gearbox that you can't get parts for anymore
-etc.

So, Nick, there you go - I'm not completely insane  ;D
« Last Edit: 04 April, 2016, 05:55:16 PM by My real name is Lance »

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #6 on: 04 April, 2016, 06:32:24 PM »
I would recommend getting in touch with club member and former president Darryl Stokes (R3SPCT). Darryl has a lot of experience tuning FWD SRs (NA and turbo-charged), and also has the contacts to source the hardware. Check out the following links:

Except Darryl doesn't really have time to do other peoples' tuning who are not in Auckland any more, last I checked :P


Plenty of Welly people have road tripped up to see him

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #7 on: 04 April, 2016, 07:07:31 PM »
Would have needed car tuned first... Catch-22  ::)

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #8 on: 04 April, 2016, 11:55:53 PM »
I would recommend getting in touch with club member and former president Darryl Stokes (R3SPCT). Darryl has a lot of experience tuning FWD SRs (NA and turbo-charged), and also has the contacts to source the hardware. Check out the following links:

Except Darryl doesn't really have time to do other peoples' tuning who are not in Auckland any more, last I checked :P

If you're Lance (read: want to do things the hard way whist getting reamed for it)

Things I have done the easy way:
-Install Link G4 for easy tuning by literally anyone who knows what they are doing
-Take car to exhaust shop to get one piece made from turbo to existing exhaust
-Take car to professional tuning shop to get the job done on a dyno
-Got existing clutch (with no fitment issues) rebuilt rather than buy a new one
-etc.
....Funnily enough, they were the most expensive things :P

Things I have done the hard way:
-Custom engine loom wiring (rather than getting a new loom and modifying slightly to suit). Not really that hard because I find wiring to be the easiest part.
-Buying a wire-in Link instead of the plug n' play. Because wiring is easy, annnnnnnnnnnd..... the wire-ins look cooler (no rice I swear)
-Not be a millionaire, so takes ages to afford stuff
-Not having a house with a garage, so having to drive to my parents' place to work on car
-Owning a 4WD Primera in general
-Break an antique gearbox that you can't get parts for anymore
-etc.

So, Nick, there you go - I'm not completely insane  ;D

I have to almost agree with Lance on the ECU parts, my experiences with my Nismotronic haven't been all that great and at some points it has had me wishing I had chosen a mainstream ECU option; the software is horribly buggy and unstable (for example, I did an upload after the last software update and it corrupted all the data on the ECU and left me stranded on the side of the road), nobody wants to tune it and I seem to get random issues with the tune and software which isn't very reassuring.

But because I'm a student I have no option but to persevere with it.

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #9 on: 05 April, 2016, 09:19:12 AM »
I have to almost agree with Lance on the ECU parts, my experiences with my Nismotronic haven't been all that great and at some points it has had me wishing I had chosen a mainstream ECU option; the software is horribly buggy and unstable (for example, I did an upload after the last software update and it corrupted all the data on the ECU and left me stranded on the side of the road), nobody wants to tune it and I seem to get random issues with the tune and software which isn't very reassuring.

But because I'm a student I have no option but to persevere with it.

A shame really, because the concept of Nismotronic is brilliant - (semi) affordable tuning platform for home enthusiasts to "have a go" without spending too much. A shame that it doesn't just work as it should, I guess you get that when it's just pretty much one guy maintaining the software as a hobby.

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Darryl, what would it take to RWD SR convert my QG18 bluebird? Ive got a mate with a angle grinder and stick welder, surely it cant be too hard

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #10 on: 05 April, 2016, 10:32:07 AM »
A shame really, because the concept of Nismotronic is brilliant - (semi) affordable tuning platform for home enthusiasts to "have a go" without spending too much. A shame that it doesn't just work as it should, I guess you get that when it's just pretty much one guy maintaining the software as a hobby.

Fair point - it is a great idea. I think anybody would have a really tough time trying to break into the ECU market, and Nismotronic haven't done that bad a job considering they offer one product only for a handful of engines. To my understanding, it's more than a hobby for John?

Would have needed car tuned first... Catch-22  ::)

Misplaced; not necessarily for everyone. The majority of builds in this club have been replicated by someone who Darryl has tuned for - therefore giving him a fair idea of what "safe" tune he can send you if you do need to travel.

This is probably a good time to mention that more than 50% of club members are from Auckland (and probably another 20% in close surrounding areas). Given this, both the OP and mrt were odds-on to be in Darryl's area. Turns out mrt is most like from the more southern island, and Gherkin is from Auckland.

This is, also, probably a good time to mention that I'm a massive fan of Link ECUs. However, given most members we haven't heard much from are unlikely to spend the extra money on a Link, they should be made aware of what the SR20 specific community has to offer.

-Install Link G4 for easy tuning by literally anyone who knows what they are doing

I have massive support and appreciation for the fact that most decent tuning shops will tune a Link - it should be single-handedly the deciding factor for buying an ECU. However, your tune at Manfeild didn't seem to be stable at all, so I can't see any obvious benefits here (yet..), just a decent outlay of cash.

-Take car to professional tuning shop to get the job done on a dyno

See above point.

-Custom engine loom wiring (rather than getting a new loom and modifying slightly to suit). Not really that hard because I find wiring to be the easiest part.

But most people find wiring an engine into a car really difficult, as well as being absolutely critical to be correct - note, this isn't required with Nemu boards nor the cheaper standard "daughterboard" (which I would recommend for a car that will likely have the same set up over time - ie. won't require a lot of tinkering or re-tuning).

Your solution is not the only solution, but, to me, it was, merely, the solution that was sold to you. I think it is more important to give information in the form of broad options, rather than to quip that one should "go down to your local tuning shop and open your wallet". If nothing else, winding you up has gotten you to list some points (that I agree with) to back your quip up. Good discussion, and one that I give a lot of merit given your experience with Nemus and Links.

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #11 on: 05 April, 2016, 10:55:23 AM »
your tune at Manfeild didn't seem to be stable at all, so I can't see any obvious benefits here (yet..), just a decent outlay of cash.

Tell me about it - that's because the particular tuner I chose happened to come down with serious knee problems for his clutch foot and hence be away from work and unable to finish my tune - not exactly something I could foresee when choosing a tuner.

This is probably a good time to mention that more than 50% of club members are from Auckland (and probably another 20% in close surrounding areas). Given this, both the OP and mrt were odds-on to be in Darryl's area. Turns out mrt is most like from the more southern island, and Gherkin is from Auckland.

I looked back through his previous posts and found he was previously looking for something in the south island  :P

it was, merely, the solution that was sold to you.

I didn't talk to anyone who got commission for my purchase of the Link, nor did I ever plan to buy the link from the people who convinced me that it was the correct solution for what I wanted.

If nothing else, winding you up has gotten you to list some points (that I agree with) to back your quip up. Good discussion, and one that I give a lot of merit given your experience with Nemus and Links.

I appreciate your appreciation :)

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #12 on: 05 April, 2016, 02:22:32 PM »
From my experience with Nismotronic - Excellent ECU, very well priced considering the amount of features etc, The software is very easy to use, there are a limited number of people who will tune it. The only issues i ever had 1: The tune just "dropped" off it and only had a start up tune on it. I reloaded the tune from the computer and all was back to going good. 2: It apparently stopped switching one of the VVL Solenoids - it was working before i took it to the tuner so either it died at a really bad time or the tuner could not figure out how to get it working. (Or they shafted me so i would buy a link).


From my experience with Link: Top level ECU, Prices vary on the model but i got the basic one so also relatively cheap,  Has plenty of functions, no issues with the ECU.

3 reasons i bought a Link, 1 - my car was stuck at the tuners half completed so i kind of needed it. 2 - It meant i had a brand new computer (not a 20 year old ECU) 3 - Anybody decent will tune it

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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #13 on: 05 April, 2016, 03:58:38 PM »
From my experience with Nismotronic - Excellent ECU, very well priced considering the amount of features etc, The software is very easy to use, there are a limited number of people who will tune it. The only issues i ever had 1: The tune just "dropped" off it and only had a start up tune on it. I reloaded the tune from the computer and all was back to going good. 2: It apparently stopped switching one of the VVL Solenoids - it was working before i took it to the tuner so either it died at a really bad time or the tuner could not figure out how to get it working. (Or they shafted me so i would buy a link).


From my experience with Link: Top level ECU, Prices vary on the model but i got the basic one so also relatively cheap,  Has plenty of functions, no issues with the ECU.

3 reasons i bought a Link, 1 - my car was stuck at the tuners half completed so i kind of needed it. 2 - It meant i had a brand new computer (not a 20 year old ECU) 3 - Anybody decent will tune it

100% agree with Wade. However the Link Atom is severely retarded if you have anything other than a stripped out track weapon like Wade's car. Even the Storm Blue Edition (my one) only has 4 Digital inputs, which is reduced to 3 if you use the knock control (like I did). So speed sensor, neutral switch, and start signal take all my digital inputs up. So no opportunity for boost switch, fuel map switch (one for muffler open, one for closed. Not that this is really necessary), a "start data log" switch, a "custom" security system/electronic killswitch, or anything else cool :(  Or you could but the extreme, if you're a baller...

This issue is fixed with the new Storm Black edition, which has 8 digital inputs. The only trade off is that the internal MAP is removed. You just need to run the external MAP sensor with it, a small price to pay for 4 extra digital inputs.
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Re: Car tuning
« Reply #14 on: 05 April, 2016, 08:42:16 PM »
My experiences with the nismotronic:

Awesome features for what it costs and retains the stock functions of a stock computer. Software is still being improved over time. Very capable drop in ECU requiring virtually zero wiring.

Downsides of it: you kind of have to learn to tune it yourself. I don't mind that as thats what I want to do anyway but that could be an issue for some people. The place Im going to get a proper tune fortunately is open minded and we are going to work together with me mainly operating the ECU while he tells what changes he wants.

I have had it corrupt a tune file a couple times after uploading. Unsure why but closing the software, then reopening and re-uploading the tune fixes it. Seems to only happen immediately after a new tune being uploaded.

It also only has 4 analogue inputs and a couple digital inputs, but this is made up for by the fact that many of the data inputs you would use on a link have their dedicated inputs on the nismotronic, for example start signal, knock sensor etc so currently out of my available inputs Im only using one for wideband o2 sensor.

In the end, a lot of the functions of an expensive ECU are moot on our engines as they advertise functions like knock control that my dirty 25 year old p10 ECU can operate with the nismotronic. Things like VCT control are of no value on an SR20.